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Mar
11

A Blurb On Herb

IMG_1101 In spring of 2006 Herb Sendek accepted a job offer from Arizona State, ending his 10-year tenure as N.C. State’s basketball coach. While the coach had led the Wolfpack to five straight NCAA tournament appearances, attendance was poor during Sendek’s tenure, and many Wolfpack fans felt that Sendek had reached his potential as the school’s coach. While N.C. State did not fire Sendek, they made no effort to retain the coach when Arizona State came calling.

Venomous criticism of Wolfpack fans ensued from the national basketball world. Sendek’s former boss, Rick Pitino, said, "He’s not Jimmy Valvano, and that’s something N.C. State couldn’t understand," says Louisville coach Rick Pitino, who hired Sendek as an assistant at Providence and Kentucky. "The fans don’t understand how good he is." ESPN analyst Dick Vitale called Sendek "a steal for ASU. He got totally frustrated about never being truly accepted" at North Carolina State. "There you better have a lot of personality. That’s why Jimmy V was such a big success. Personality plays a big part in trying to offset the popularity and strength of Duke and North Carolina.

The comment that stirred the most response, however, was Gregg Doyal of CBSSports.com who wrote:

Wolfpack fans should be ashamed. In a day and age where coaches outright cheat or clandestinely cut so many corners that emergency ethics meetings are called, Sendek was honorable. For a guy as smart as he was, he was too dumb to cheat, too naïve to know that you almost can’t win at a place like N.C. State without looking the other way. But he was such a good coach, he won in spite of himself.  Around the country, coaches know. Sendek was treated shabbily by Wolfpack nation — by sniping fans, reader-pandering media and an administration that never once stood up and said ENOUGH!

So, Sendek left the “unrealistic fanbase” for a happier place. Finally , he would be appreciated for his work, right? After all, it took Arizona State 30 years to make 5 NCAA trips, and they had only had three 20-win seasons in the past 25 years. It stands to reason that a coach that comes in and goes 75-53 in his first four seasons would electrify the fanbase and be regarded as a hero. Right?

Arizona State plays their home games in the 14,000-seat Wells Fargo Arena in Phoenix, the 5th largest city in the United States. These fans, after so many years of bad basketball, should fill the place up after last year’s 25-10 season. This season has been good so far, but not quite as successful. The team is 22-9, has an RPI ranking of #54, and stands a good shot of getting back into the NCAA tournament with a good showing this weekend. Reality, though, is a quite different thing.

Average attendance at Arizona State’s home games was 7,765 (55% capacity) this season, down 17% from last season. In only 36% of the games did they exceed that average. Sendek’s team only drew more than 10,000 fans twice in 19 games. Only 57% of the time was the arena even half full . No wonder Sendek thought the RBC Center would be “an unmitigated disaster” if its capacity exceeded 15,000.

Yes, it is the same old Herb. Put together a schedule with some horrendously awful non-conference nobodies at home, lose to good teams on the road, and never win a game you aren’t supposed to win. It appears that Arizona State fans are voting with their feet. People in Phoenix would rather be doing almost anything else than watching Herb Sendek’s team. In a couple of years they will start to grumble, and the rallying cry from the media and Pitino protégés will start again. Yet nobody will acknowledge that it wasn’t repulsive fans that ended Sendek’s term in Raleigh. It was his repulsive product.

Part II (3/11/2010)

Since the smartypants with an “observer” IP address isn’t satisfied with this analysis, I’ll continue. Let’s look at the attendance and winning percentages for each Arizona State and N.C. State over the past 11 seasons.

Year ASU Att ASU W% NCS Att NCS W%
2000 8975 0.594 16535 0.588
2001 7105 0.448 14072 0.448
2002 6984 0.483 13468 0.676
2003 8418 0.625 13563 0.581
2004 8953 0.370 14576 0.677
2005 8313 0.563 14464 0.600
2006 6731 0.393 14472 0.688
2007 6931 0.267 13952 0.556
2008 8008 0.618 15043 0.484
2009 9354 0.714 13456 0.533
2010 7765 0.677 13013 0.548

Average attendance for the past 11 seasons at Arizona State was 7,957 and they have won 52.2% of the time. As one can see, the team has won much more than average this season, yet attendance is below the 11-year average. Here in Raleigh NCSU has averaged 14,238 over the past seasons and won 58% of the time. This season’s average attendance and winning percentage is below the average. (Though it should be noted that this season there was a snowy day for a game which resulted in attendance of only 2,000 and there was a Reynolds Coliseum game where only about 4,500 people attended. Removing that snowy anomaly attendance was around 13,800, far closer to the 11-year average.)

This year aside, NCSU fans are much less likely to be swayed by the team’s record than Arizona State fans are. If we run a multiple regression analyses on both data tables, we get R-Squared values of 0.327 for Arizona State and 0.002 for NCSU. Both values show that the team’s record is a very poor predictor for attendance. There is something else involved. Certainly factors such as arena age, schedule difficulty, weather, timing of the games (New Years, competing against bowl games, weekend games, television coverage, etc) play roles into fans choices to attend.

As a 37-year fan of basketball in the area, with intense study of each fanbase, my conclusion is that the the brand of basketball on the court and the perception of the team’s ability to win games both play overwhelming roles over long periods of time. Heralded recruits, coaches who talk positively about winning, and teams that surprise fans with wins over higher-ranked teams are the chief causes for higher attendance.

In the six years preceding Herb Sendek’s arrival at Arizona State, the program won 49.7% of its games. Sendek has won 56.9% of his games, yet average attendance has only risen by 89 fans (between the two periods), a 1% increase. Keep in mind that that “increase” includes the period when Pendergraph as well as a host of other inherited ASU players were on the court. This is Herb’s ship now, and it’s headed in a course that is all too familiar.

Now, isn’t that a little more in-depth analysis than we get from something like Rimshots? Journalists aren’t losing their jobs because of the failure to compare trends across the PAC-10, they are losing their jobs because of their failure to present a compelling product. Circulation is down for a reason, and it isn’t because people with “observer” in their email addresses are doing such wonderful, in-depth analyses when they write articles like Rimshots and articles implying that the RBC Center is too big for N.C. State’s basketball program. Also, I don’t mind criticism and tactful disagreement, but I respect it a lot more when someone has the guts to use their real name.

  • Tom Woolf

    I’m a transplant with no allegiance to any individual local college team, and I dispassionately watched the Sendek drama enfold. I figured, like many, that he would find greener pastures in the desert. Thanks for the update.

    {That last blurb, “it was his repulsive product”, was kind of harsh. Boring, or unexciting (slightly different than “boring), or mediocre would have been better.}

  • http://www.laneyconsulting.com Neill

    Repulsive is exactly the right word, if you’re the one responsible to ticket sales.

    Not to let the Pack fans off the hook. They are some of the vilest, most mean-spirited fans in the country toward visiting teams. WITH is a good start towards repentance. This season has to be the turning around point for Sidney, or he’s gone.

  • whocares

    This is horribly shoddy reporting. Comparing two years and drawing conclusions about Sendek is ridiculous, people get fired in my field for doing a sloppy analysis like this. Show me long term attendance trends (compared to team success and attendance at comparative Pac-10 schools and other Phoenix venues). Show proof that this year is the anomaly and not last year.

  • Adam

    I remember at the beginning of this basketball season watching Duke square off against Arizona State in Madison Square Garden and listening to the announcers berate NC State and talk about how great Herb was doing and how bad the Wolfpack have been since he left. Then after ASU got crushed by Duke a stat popped up that showed Sendek’s all time record against the Blue Devils, something like 2-26.

    Thats the only stat anyone needs to know.

  • hmmm

    i smell a carolina fan….

  • ct

    Remember, Phoenix has an NBA team — and a good one. Most ACC schools don’t have to compete with an NBA team in their back yard. Georgia Tech does, and basketball attendance there isn’t great. Ditto for Miami and Boston College. Maryland is an exception, but they have a stronger program (and besides, Baltimore-Washington is the 4th most populous CSA in the nation).

  • Mike Ross

    Complaining about attendance is not fair to Herb. We all knew the RBC Center would be hard to fill. And so it was. Reynolds Colosseum was (and still is) an incredible place to see college basketball, funky but wonderful; and it was a good size for everyone, everyone but those looking to make more profit from it. I never found the college basketball “product” that Herb brought to be anything but an excellent and well rounded. Most of the student athletes DO NOT go on to pro careers and in that context, what parent would NOT want a quality human like Sendek as the primary influence on their kid while in college? I am not sure what is repulsive about making the best from a bad situation, State is still suffering from the ground lost after V gamed the system. Avie Lester was an A student in HS and flunked out of State – that stuff is what is really replusive about college basketball. I tutored athletes at State around 1990 and I got an earful what V did to get an education for his kids, not. That had to change. Remember how Les brought Todd Fuller along? Todd had a 4.0 in Applied Math until a class slipped by in his last year. Todd became a NBA player and started some. That is the way it should be and Sendek makes it happen. Herb Sendek is nothing but net to me. Been loving how ASU is coming along and follow them closely.

  • Dana

    If you look at the NCSU numbers, you’ll notice that the average attendance in the RBC Center has never sagged to the CAPACITY of Reynolds Coliseum, 12,400 (much less the number of actually decent seats in the old venue, ~7,000).

  • http://Who'sGottheHerb.com Kyle

    This blurb is a joke and written by someone that obviously knows very little about Arizona State University. ASU, for your information, is located in Tempe, not Phoenix. You even said yourself that ticket sales at NC State are less likely to fluctuate. So that sorta negates the whole “repulsive” brand of basketball that was discussed. NC State’s attendance numbers haven’t picked up at all since Herb left and their record is even worse. ASU’s attendance hasn’t increased, YET, but their performance sure has. I’ll take that as a win for ASU! NC State is blessed with being located in a basketball region. ASU is a football/baseball school, but the culture of the basketball program is changing. Attendance will pick up. And as others said, the Phoenix Suns are a huge draw in this market and extremely successful. Also, we live a completely different lifestyle in the desert than you could even imagine. On behalf of Sundevil fans, I can say that we are very happy to have Herb Sendek on board. Only time will tell how everything is going to play out.

  • JohnH

    Arizona State is 8 miles from downtown Phoenix, Kyle.

  • JeffS

    So who are you bitching about now? Sendek, or the critics of the arena?

    Are you still trying to prime the pump for yet another arena to be built in town?

  • Michael

    I don’t get a lot of these comments. The article is clear about its intent. I totally agree with Dana. Sendek is fast proving at ASU that he’s not a Championship caliber coach nor is he a coach that can put butts in the seats. He’s showing that State fans’ gripes were warranted. I will be very surprised if we ever see ASU win the PAC-10 under Sendek. Case and point ASU was just destroyed by cellar dweller Stanford in the PAC 10 tourney.
    Are the Sundevils much improved? Absolutely. Is Sendek a bad coach? No, and State fans should be appreciative of him bringing some respect back to the program after the Loss Robinson era. But to be great, you have to win the conference (once in 10 years too much to ask?), and you have to be competitive with your rivals, something he could never do. And…you can’t blame your lack of acheiving those goals on the arena.

  • steelcity36

    Remember NC State did not fire Sendek! He left on his own to accept a job that guaranteed him employment longer than he would have received from NC State. Purely a financial decision made to protect the well being of his family. That being said his Princeton style offense was horrible to watch and State Fans were fed up with it. It works because opposing teams don’t want to spend a lot of time teaching players to defend it when they only see 1 or 2 times a year. Bad basketball leads to poor attendance. Just ask our friends at UNC.

  • spotteddogs

    Everybody who lived through the Sendek era would probably agree that he was as nice a guy as you could meet. He would have been a great neighbor.
    However, his chosen job is very non-forgiving and he had to practice his craft in the toughest neighborhood in the US. And let’s face it, you have to win at least once in awhile against Duke and Carolina if you want to have some longevity here.
    Some programs don’t stand at all for loosing coaches (Matt Doherty at UNC, anyone?) and find any reason to fire them.
    Herb had an ample amount of time to find a winning formula for the ACC and against his rivals. He failed to do so.
    Nobody I know does not wish him well. He just turned out to not be the right person for this job.

    Excellent work, Dana!

  • Mike Ross

    I honestly, enjoyed the Princeton. I like a good passing game and find it fascinating to watch. I am bored by fast break and dunk with no respite of a sharp half court offense. It is part of the game.

    This year I watched State play one game that really looked good – that was the smart and crisp passing I saw when they took Duke. That said, they have played hard on defense and I like that, too. (Anyone hear how the Sun Devils did this year with their defense?)

    The truth is that State is still handicapped by a hangover from V times on the recruiting trail. That probation set us back and only time and consistency in coaching will solve it. Yes, even ten years was not enough for an exemplary coach like Sendek.

    All Sid’s chops in the NBA haven’t cracked it, yet. Sid will succeed if the fans and the N&O don’t undermine him. Were I a prospect I’d be leery of playing at State because of fan fickleness.

    The N&O always has an undercurrent of glee when flaying coaches (not just State coaches)- all in the name of selling furniture and used cars (Thanks, Caulton). It makes me sick. I am waiting for the same old interference to begin again now that four years are past for Lowe. Oh, but the fan’s whining is “news” they say, as if they don’t work every chance possible to cast a shadow and stench on it – it is good for readership. Will they tell us how well those kids are progressing in school? Will State fans ever take pride in the accomplishment of being an athlete and a student? I am not holding my breath.

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