Like DPK posted, anyone can go to Glenwood South, pay some money and bring the diversity he/she wants. Nobody stops us from walking the walk instead of talking the talk.
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http://www.gogoraleigh.com/2008/11/14/moshakos-to-revive-former-pine-state-offices/comment-page-1/#comment-8514 Ernest Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:56:58 +0000 http://www.gogoraleigh.com/2008/11/14/moshakos-to-revive-former-pine-state-offices/#comment-8514 I agree, and I am looking forward to more additions. The East Glenwood South needs a lot of redevelopment, IMO. West At North is a wonderful addition, but alone it can't do everything.
I agree, and I am looking forward to more additions. The East Glenwood South needs a lot of redevelopment, IMO. West At North is a wonderful addition, but alone it can’t do everything.
http://www.gogoraleigh.com/2008/11/14/moshakos-to-revive-former-pine-state-offices/comment-page-1/#comment-8475 Jenna Tue, 18 Nov 2008 17:18:32 +0000 http://www.gogoraleigh.com/2008/11/14/moshakos-to-revive-former-pine-state-offices/#comment-8475 Thanks, Ernest! I've been trying to find out what would be on those first two (three?) floors. Sounds like the whole building will be a great addition to downtown.
Thanks, Ernest! I’ve been trying to find out what would be on those first two (three?) floors.
Sounds like the whole building will be a great addition to downtown.
http://www.gogoraleigh.com/2008/11/14/moshakos-to-revive-former-pine-state-offices/comment-page-1/#comment-8396 Ernest Mon, 17 Nov 2008 21:18:09 +0000 http://www.gogoraleigh.com/2008/11/14/moshakos-to-revive-former-pine-state-offices/#comment-8396 TBJ posted the entire article online. Here is an excerpt where we hear more about the other two venues: On the first, second and basement floors of the building, Moshakos, a native of Greece, is considering two concepts, including one that would serve small plates of Mediterranean food and at least 50 different wines available by the glass. Moshakos is considering opening a smaller restaurant with a wine cellar in the basement. Doesn't sound to me very chain-type venues. Sure, they may not be affordable to all, but they will be unique concepts (relatively speaking). Personally, I am happy, although - as I mentioned earlier - I would rather see a larger building replacing the existing one.
TBJ posted the entire article online. Here is an excerpt where we hear more about the other two venues:
On the first, second and basement floors of the building, Moshakos, a native of Greece, is considering two concepts, including one that would serve small plates of Mediterranean food and at least 50 different wines available by the glass. Moshakos is considering opening a smaller restaurant with a wine cellar in the basement.
Doesn’t sound to me very chain-type venues. Sure, they may not be affordable to all, but they will be unique concepts (relatively speaking). Personally, I am happy, although – as I mentioned earlier – I would rather see a larger building replacing the existing one.
http://www.gogoraleigh.com/2008/11/14/moshakos-to-revive-former-pine-state-offices/comment-page-1/#comment-8388 Ernest Mon, 17 Nov 2008 20:00:32 +0000 http://www.gogoraleigh.com/2008/11/14/moshakos-to-revive-former-pine-state-offices/#comment-8388 David, while it is sad to read that type of [unnecessary] criticism, NR staff are entitled to their own opinion. I respectfully disagree with them, and I think some of the readers have kindly responded along the same lines with the way I would reply. To some people diversity is only a part of the whole. Chicken wings, cheeseburgers and beer is not part of it, I guess :( Like DPK posted, anyone can go to Glenwood South, pay some money and bring the diversity he/she wants. Nobody stops us from walking the walk instead of talking the talk. One thing that people rush to ignore is that the new owner is going to bring three venues, not just one. While Carolina Ale may be your typical sports bar, we still don't know what the other two will be. Certainly, Lou Moshakos, who is definitely a good businessman and not your run of the mill wanna-be restaurant owner, knows how to address the needs of the Glenwood South crowd and bring something that will a) attract more visitors and b) will be in sync with the existing fabric. Until I hear more about the other two venues, I will keep the most important part: three more destinations will be added in an underutilized spot. I don't care about sports bars, but I would celebrate the expansion of this local chain to our city's primary entertainment district. Personally, I would think that attracting a destination like the good-old Seldom Blues in Cary - no longer in business - would be a major plus. Retail will be hard to bring, until 222 Glenwood, West At North and 712 Tucker are fully occupied and established. Maybe a bookstore-cafe would be nice. Also, a good Italian restaurant, a decent pizzeria, a good pastry shop (similar to Hereghty's in Raleigh and Old Europe Cafe in Asheville) and a vegetarian place (like The Laughing Seed in Asheville) or something identical to Zest Cafe and Hot Pointe Cafe (both in North Raleigh). Even a good Greek restaurant (since Lou Moshakos is Greek) would do. I meet a lot of people who ask me about good Greek food in Raleigh. Of course, we can think of many nice, outside the box ideas, but you get the picture.
David, while it is sad to read that type of [unnecessary] criticism, NR staff are entitled to their own opinion. I respectfully disagree with them, and I think some of the readers have kindly responded along the same lines with the way I would reply. To some people diversity is only a part of the whole. Chicken wings, cheeseburgers and beer is not part of it, I guess
Like DPK posted, anyone can go to Glenwood South, pay some money and bring the diversity he/she wants. Nobody stops us from walking the walk instead of talking the talk.
One thing that people rush to ignore is that the new owner is going to bring three venues, not just one. While Carolina Ale may be your typical sports bar, we still don’t know what the other two will be. Certainly, Lou Moshakos, who is definitely a good businessman and not your run of the mill wanna-be restaurant owner, knows how to address the needs of the Glenwood South crowd and bring something that will a) attract more visitors and b) will be in sync with the existing fabric. Until I hear more about the other two venues, I will keep the most important part: three more destinations will be added in an underutilized spot. I don’t care about sports bars, but I would celebrate the expansion of this local chain to our city’s primary entertainment district.
Personally, I would think that attracting a destination like the good-old Seldom Blues in Cary – no longer in business – would be a major plus. Retail will be hard to bring, until 222 Glenwood, West At North and 712 Tucker are fully occupied and established. Maybe a bookstore-cafe would be nice. Also, a good Italian restaurant, a decent pizzeria, a good pastry shop (similar to Hereghty’s in Raleigh and Old Europe Cafe in Asheville) and a vegetarian place (like The Laughing Seed in Asheville) or something identical to Zest Cafe and Hot Pointe Cafe (both in North Raleigh). Even a good Greek restaurant (since Lou Moshakos is Greek) would do. I meet a lot of people who ask me about good Greek food in Raleigh. Of course, we can think of many nice, outside the box ideas, but you get the picture.
http://www.gogoraleigh.com/2008/11/14/moshakos-to-revive-former-pine-state-offices/comment-page-1/#comment-8382 David Mon, 17 Nov 2008 18:52:28 +0000 http://www.gogoraleigh.com/2008/11/14/moshakos-to-revive-former-pine-state-offices/#comment-8382 http://www.newraleigh.com/articles/archive/carolina-ale-house-coming-to-glenwood-south/ Haha, I swear I hadn't read the other site yet! The idiots that respond on NR are way too funny though.
http://www.newraleigh.com/articles/archive/carolina-ale-house-coming-to-glenwood-south/
Haha, I swear I hadn’t read the other site yet! The idiots that respond on NR are way too funny though.
http://www.gogoraleigh.com/2008/11/14/moshakos-to-revive-former-pine-state-offices/comment-page-1/#comment-8378 David Mon, 17 Nov 2008 18:17:10 +0000 http://www.gogoraleigh.com/2008/11/14/moshakos-to-revive-former-pine-state-offices/#comment-8378 One thing's for certain, no matter what it ends up be occupied by and looks like, the armchair culturalists over at NR will hate it.
One thing’s for certain, no matter what it ends up be occupied by and looks like, the armchair culturalists over at NR will hate it.
http://www.gogoraleigh.com/2008/11/14/moshakos-to-revive-former-pine-state-offices/comment-page-1/#comment-8366 Ernest Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:51:12 +0000 http://www.gogoraleigh.com/2008/11/14/moshakos-to-revive-former-pine-state-offices/#comment-8366 "Transformation" is an understatement when we talk about Glenwood South. This new vision is yet-another step to the right direction, although I would love to see a taller structure replacing the existing two-story "box". Maybe something around 10 stories, with a top-floor venue. Maybe a hotel would do well in that location...
“Transformation” is an understatement when we talk about Glenwood South. This new vision is yet-another step to the right direction, although I would love to see a taller structure replacing the existing two-story “box”. Maybe something around 10 stories, with a top-floor venue. Maybe a hotel would do well in that location…